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		<title>By: Billy (A Liberal Disabled Vet)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy (A Liberal Disabled Vet)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in high school way back in the '80s, my freshman biology teacher (a long suffering man who was in his last year of teaching befor retirement (and did not deserve many of the students he put up with)) came up with a way of describing mutations and how they can lead to a more complex organism.

Picture a simple organism.  Its genetic code is mutated.  There is a 50% chance that the mutation will do nothing.  There is a 49% chance the mutation will be terminal.  Of the remaining 1%, there is a 5% chance the organism will become more simple.  A 90% chance that, though there is a change, the organism is neither more nor less derived.  And a 5% chance that the organism becomes more complex.

So there is a 5% of 1% chance that a mutation will make the organism less or more 'complex.'

Keep doing this for 3 billion years.  Most organisms will remain 'simple.'  A few, a very very very few, will evolve to the point where he can contemplate something so delightfully improbable, yet possible.

I majored in history in college, but one of my many hobbies is evolutionary biology and paleontology.  His explanation still works for me.  It has also worked for at least one christianist fundamentalist Christian I know.

Of course they still insisted that god factored in there.  Somewhere.

Sorry for the ramble.  Occupational hazard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school way back in the &#8217;80s, my freshman biology teacher (a long suffering man who was in his last year of teaching befor retirement (and did not deserve many of the students he put up with)) came up with a way of describing mutations and how they can lead to a more complex organism.</p>
<p>Picture a simple organism.  Its genetic code is mutated.  There is a 50% chance that the mutation will do nothing.  There is a 49% chance the mutation will be terminal.  Of the remaining 1%, there is a 5% chance the organism will become more simple.  A 90% chance that, though there is a change, the organism is neither more nor less derived.  And a 5% chance that the organism becomes more complex.</p>
<p>So there is a 5% of 1% chance that a mutation will make the organism less or more &#8216;complex.&#8217;</p>
<p>Keep doing this for 3 billion years.  Most organisms will remain &#8217;simple.&#8217;  A few, a very very very few, will evolve to the point where he can contemplate something so delightfully improbable, yet possible.</p>
<p>I majored in history in college, but one of my many hobbies is evolutionary biology and paleontology.  His explanation still works for me.  It has also worked for at least one christianist fundamentalist Christian I know.</p>
<p>Of course they still insisted that god factored in there.  Somewhere.</p>
<p>Sorry for the ramble.  Occupational hazard.</p>
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		<title>By: The Worst of Perth</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Worst of Perth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would respect him/her more if they claimed their head did spin. Why stop at demons? Go the whole way baby. The only ones of these christian turkeys I have any respect for are actually the stupidest - the snake handlers. While all the others dissemble about what the bible tells them, and claim to be following the literal word, these crackpots actually go out and do it. You don't see these other idiots poking out their own eyes or fiddling with their oxen, or whatever other tosh DOES actually say. But snake handlers actually put their money where their snakes are. You got my respect you venom soaked morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would respect him/her more if they claimed their head did spin. Why stop at demons? Go the whole way baby. The only ones of these christian turkeys I have any respect for are actually the stupidest - the snake handlers. While all the others dissemble about what the bible tells them, and claim to be following the literal word, these crackpots actually go out and do it. You don&#8217;t see these other idiots poking out their own eyes or fiddling with their oxen, or whatever other tosh DOES actually say. But snake handlers actually put their money where their snakes are. You got my respect you venom soaked morons.</p>
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		<title>By: AV</title>
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		<dc:creator>AV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My priest teaches me that there is a God out there&lt;/i&gt;

What evidence does your priest have for this claim?

&lt;i&gt;You probably attribute life’s goods and bads to science, ONLY. [. . .] Mana, Mana, it must be lonely where you are…no gods, no science…just an empty space , with video games floating around you….&lt;/i&gt;

It never ceases to amuse me how theists always seem to prefer this kind of projection over honest discussion. &lt;i&gt;They&lt;/i&gt; would be lonely without their sky-Daddy; ergo, &lt;i&gt;everybody&lt;/i&gt; would be lonely without their sky-Daddy. QED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My priest teaches me that there is a God out there</i></p>
<p>What evidence does your priest have for this claim?</p>
<p><i>You probably attribute life’s goods and bads to science, ONLY. [. . .] Mana, Mana, it must be lonely where you are…no gods, no science…just an empty space , with video games floating around you….</i></p>
<p>It never ceases to amuse me how theists always seem to prefer this kind of projection over honest discussion. <i>They</i> would be lonely without their sky-Daddy; ergo, <i>everybody</i> would be lonely without their sky-Daddy. QED.</p>
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		<title>By: Mana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You probably attribute life’s goods and bads to science, ONLY. Other - to a religious God, ONLY. I, for example - both. &lt;/i&gt;
I attribute life's goods and bads to neither god or science. I attribute it to people. And I attribute my life's goods or bads to myself.

&lt;i&gt;The reverse side of what you say are the sociopaths, irresponsable sick liers…not real God believers. &lt;/i&gt;
I'm not sure what you're referring to but some sociopaths are believers.

&lt;i&gt;You are telling me now that when a doctor gives a certain treatement to a sick person, suggesting it does good, is…delusional???&lt;/i&gt;
You said some cures proved to be poison. If they were poison they could not have been cures, so whoever promoted them as cures was either  trying to make a buck or was delusional (as in not thinking straight). Doctors are generally good at what they do and they will not give you a cure that's poison, and if they do give you something that's poses risks they will warn of the associated risks. Crooks will try to sell you something that's not a cure but can potentially harm you. So please don't try to read between the lines of my statement, and try to imply I said doctors are delusional. 

&lt;i&gt;You have to make a distinction in your comments about which religion you talk about. Some are stronger than the others. Some have a God that “forgives” more than the other.&lt;/i&gt;
That's what you don't understand. I don't &lt;b&gt;have to&lt;/b&gt; make a distinction between religions based on how forgiving they are.  Each religion has its moral virtues, as well as its irrationality. Atheists are not concerned with which church is the true church, or which church is better than the other. We leave that to religions to debate amongst themselves. 

&lt;i&gt;is Marx “God” to take “His” word for…or he had a strong scientific proof of that statement???&lt;/i&gt;
Does this imply that one should only take the word of god as proof? 
Regardless, you said cures proved to be poison, and I referred to the fact that you are not giving examples of cures that are poison. The poison statement made me think of Marx's statement on religion being the opiate of the message, but I don't know of a metaphor related to medical cures being poison. So please give me some examples. 

&lt;i&gt;"Mana, Mana, it must be lonely where you are…no gods, no science…just an empty space , with video games floating around you…."&lt;/i&gt;
Wow, a personal attack, with my name written all over it. How flattering. In an effort to disappoint those who would expect a defensive stance to this statement, I will say... keep on with the fuel for this atheist fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You probably attribute life’s goods and bads to science, ONLY. Other - to a religious God, ONLY. I, for example - both. </i><br />
I attribute life&#8217;s goods and bads to neither god or science. I attribute it to people. And I attribute my life&#8217;s goods or bads to myself.</p>
<p><i>The reverse side of what you say are the sociopaths, irresponsable sick liers…not real God believers. </i><br />
I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re referring to but some sociopaths are believers.</p>
<p><i>You are telling me now that when a doctor gives a certain treatement to a sick person, suggesting it does good, is…delusional???</i><br />
You said some cures proved to be poison. If they were poison they could not have been cures, so whoever promoted them as cures was either  trying to make a buck or was delusional (as in not thinking straight). Doctors are generally good at what they do and they will not give you a cure that&#8217;s poison, and if they do give you something that&#8217;s poses risks they will warn of the associated risks. Crooks will try to sell you something that&#8217;s not a cure but can potentially harm you. So please don&#8217;t try to read between the lines of my statement, and try to imply I said doctors are delusional. </p>
<p><i>You have to make a distinction in your comments about which religion you talk about. Some are stronger than the others. Some have a God that “forgives” more than the other.</i><br />
That&#8217;s what you don&#8217;t understand. I don&#8217;t <b>have to</b> make a distinction between religions based on how forgiving they are.  Each religion has its moral virtues, as well as its irrationality. Atheists are not concerned with which church is the true church, or which church is better than the other. We leave that to religions to debate amongst themselves. </p>
<p><i>is Marx “God” to take “His” word for…or he had a strong scientific proof of that statement???</i><br />
Does this imply that one should only take the word of god as proof?<br />
Regardless, you said cures proved to be poison, and I referred to the fact that you are not giving examples of cures that are poison. The poison statement made me think of Marx&#8217;s statement on religion being the opiate of the message, but I don&#8217;t know of a metaphor related to medical cures being poison. So please give me some examples. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Mana, Mana, it must be lonely where you are…no gods, no science…just an empty space , with video games floating around you….&#8221;</i><br />
Wow, a personal attack, with my name written all over it. How flattering. In an effort to disappoint those who would expect a defensive stance to this statement, I will say&#8230; keep on with the fuel for this atheist fire.</p>
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		<title>By: squnlimited &#187; The Wrath of Religiousness Unleashed by Yours Truly</title>
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		<dc:creator>squnlimited &#187; The Wrath of Religiousness Unleashed by Yours Truly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mana, you did not understand what I was trying to say (but hey, we all understand what we want). My "god" (notice, no capital g) term is not used with a  literal meaning. It was used as a parallel to the religious God, which actually is Something people need and/or want to believe in. You probably attribute life's goods and bads to science, ONLY. Other - to a religious God, ONLY. I, for example - both. Shoot me!
 Now, now! The reverse side of what you say are the sociopaths, irresponsable sick liers...not real God believers. My priest teaches me that there is a God out there, but I am first responsable for my actions. I believe THIS is real and healthy faith in a God. No matter how much I believe in my God, I won't go and kill somebody in His name... Why? Because I have ethics and I KNOW I am responsable for whatever I do. I also have free choice of believing or non-believing...of making the choice of a religion over another...of making a choice of a priest over another, within the same religion, and so on.
You have to make a distinction in your comments about which religion you talk about. Some are stronger than the others. Some have a God  that "forgives" more than the other. Or better, you make an analysis of the socio-psycho-physiological environment of a person "touched" (through tradition, enforcement or simple self-choice) by the respective religion. You cannot make general statements about everybody, because it just doesn't apply. If NY was hit at 9/11 by a certain group, because of political AND religious reasons, it doesn't mean that one's belief in God has to be changed. 
 well now...is Marx "God" to take "His" word for...or he had a strong scientific proof of that statement???
 So I guess you have to admit that science -  same as God - is a shot in the dark...right? When I am sick, besides God, I rely on science as well... You are telling me now that when a doctor gives a certain treatement to a sick person, suggesting it does good, is...delusional??? 
Mana, Mana, it must be lonely where you are...no gods, no science...just an empty space , with video games floating around you....
You gotta do better than this! 
Hey, I like you, though.
Cheerio!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mana, you did not understand what I was trying to say (but hey, we all understand what we want). My &#8220;god&#8221; (notice, no capital g) term is not used with a  literal meaning. It was used as a parallel to the religious God, which actually is Something people need and/or want to believe in. You probably attribute life&#8217;s goods and bads to science, ONLY. Other - to a religious God, ONLY. I, for example - both. Shoot me!<br />
 Now, now! The reverse side of what you say are the sociopaths, irresponsable sick liers&#8230;not real God believers. My priest teaches me that there is a God out there, but I am first responsable for my actions. I believe THIS is real and healthy faith in a God. No matter how much I believe in my God, I won&#8217;t go and kill somebody in His name&#8230; Why? Because I have ethics and I KNOW I am responsable for whatever I do. I also have free choice of believing or non-believing&#8230;of making the choice of a religion over another&#8230;of making a choice of a priest over another, within the same religion, and so on.<br />
You have to make a distinction in your comments about which religion you talk about. Some are stronger than the others. Some have a God  that &#8220;forgives&#8221; more than the other. Or better, you make an analysis of the socio-psycho-physiological environment of a person &#8220;touched&#8221; (through tradition, enforcement or simple self-choice) by the respective religion. You cannot make general statements about everybody, because it just doesn&#8217;t apply. If NY was hit at 9/11 by a certain group, because of political AND religious reasons, it doesn&#8217;t mean that one&#8217;s belief in God has to be changed.<br />
 well now&#8230;is Marx &#8220;God&#8221; to take &#8220;His&#8221; word for&#8230;or he had a strong scientific proof of that statement???<br />
 So I guess you have to admit that science -  same as God - is a shot in the dark&#8230;right? When I am sick, besides God, I rely on science as well&#8230; You are telling me now that when a doctor gives a certain treatement to a sick person, suggesting it does good, is&#8230;delusional???<br />
Mana, Mana, it must be lonely where you are&#8230;no gods, no science&#8230;just an empty space , with video games floating around you&#8230;.<br />
You gotta do better than this!<br />
Hey, I like you, though.<br />
Cheerio!</p>
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